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A Leadership Conversation with Larry Osborne

I mentioned a couple of weeks ago in a post entitled “Making Small Groups the Hub of Your Ministry” that I recently had the opportunity to spend some time at NorthCoast Church with Larry Osborne and his team to talk about Leadership and Small Groups. If you don’t know already, NorthCoast is an outlier when it comes to small groups and you need to get to know these guys. While the norm across the nation is hovering at about 50% of weekend worship attendance in groups, NorthCoast is shattering that norm and boasts just over 90% of their weekend worship attendance in groups. That was enough for us to get on a plane and spend some time learning from these guys. While that original post focused on Small Groups these are some of my take aways from the conversation that had broader implications for pastors and leaders:

  • Leadership is the art of the possible, not the ideal. If I know as a general that I only have enough resources to take 2 hills and there are 3 hills, I don’t divide my forces and kill everyone, I take the 2 hills I can.
  • Do numbers drive you, or are you driven by names?
  • Our political affiliations are stronger than our faith affiliations…there is a greater opportunity for interfaith marriage than interpolitical marriages
  • Community is more important than content
  • Moms meals were not particularly memorable, but they were healthy and kept you going…if you had a banquet every night you’d be as a big as a house…think through this filter in regards to sermons
  • Why try to make old people embrace a changing culture instead of accept a changing culture? Jesus said you can’t put new wine into old wine skins, but he also said anyone who has tasted the old wine won’t want the new.
  • Organizational growth will inevitably challenge the power, prestige, and preference of long standing team members. Especially when your begin recruiting “pro-players” from the outside and these new “freshmen” begin supplanting “seniors” who have been around for a while.
  • As you grow you’re constantly adding new people to the table then the table gets too big and now you have to have a kids table and an adult table. Healthy organizations do this over and over and over again, and they don’t do it by tenure etc.
  • You can never rise above the lid of the directional leader on the campus
  • If you don’t have a “no surprises rule” you’re going to have surprises
  • Leaders who get shot for micromanagement aren’t too involved…they just don’t inform. They seemingly jump in without rhyme or reason. If you’re going to micromanage for a season then you’ve got to let people know what you’re jumping into, when, and why / and then it’s okay to jump in.
  • “Big L” Leaders are:
    • Flock focused instead of lamb focused
    • Can and have built something
    • Have a drive to make it bigger & better
  • 3 Development Models:
    • 1 on 1 Model: It’s typically very intense. It can work. It’s generally inefficient. The Navigators are a good example of this.
    • Educational Model: It’s based on the concept that we’re going to prepare you ahead of time. Bible Colleges and Seminaries are a good example of this.
    • Apprentice Model: We’re going to throw you in the pool and see if you’re going to swim. As a leader you have to set by the edge of the pool and coach.
  • When it comes to leadership training…people want more training and they want to do less.

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Making Small Groups the Hub of your Ministry

This past week I had the opportunity to spend some time at NorthCoast Church with Larry Osborne and his team to talk about Leadership and Small Groups (I’ll post more take aways in the weeks to come). If you don’t know already, NorthCoast is an outlier when it comes to small groups and you need to get to know these guys. While the norm across the nation is hovering at about 50% of weekend worship attendance in groups, NorthCoast is shattering that norm and boasts just over 90% of their weekend worship attendance in groups. That was enough for us to get on a plane and spend some time learning from these guys. Here are a few of my take aways:

1. Cut the Competition

You’re doing ministry in a world where people will give you 2 time slots. Leaders will give you 3, and ministry animals will give you 4. Consistently across the nation, every time you see a higher percentage of people in groups you see less competition for groups. That means fewer classes and other programs (menu driven ministry) for people to choose among. Groups become the step, not a step.

2. Limit midweek Children’s Events

Midweek kids ministry will kill your small groups because parents will always choose their children first over their small group. See above.

3. Important People are in the Important Things

Simply put, if your top leaders are not in Small Groups then Small Groups are not important. If your Staff are not in a Small Group then Small Groups are not a big deal.

4. Count and Respond to the Facts

You can’t respond to reality if you don’t know what reality is. That’s why you need to keep attendance in your Small Groups. In churches we’re often guilty of counting numbers instead of faces. We may think that we grew by 100 people in groups last year but because we don’t count faces and only numbers we could have grown by 300 and lost 200 and never knew.

5. Measure Retention

The most important measure of organizational health is retention. This is why you need to measure not just the high water mark of sign ups but also the retention of volunteers, of Small Group participants, & leaders.

6. Talk Like Everyone is in a Group

It may sound counterintuitive but a constant drip is more powerful than the momentary splash of large-scale marketing. This is why you need to make a reference to Small Group homework & conversations somewhere in each of your weekend sermons. This is not an advertisement or announcement, but a normal part of the conversation. For example: “I don’t have the time to talk about this but you’re going to talk about this in your Small Groups this week.”


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October’s Top Blog Posts on Helping Churches Make Vision Real

Thank you! You made these the most popular posts this month on “Helping Churches Make Vision Real.”

#1 Take the Lid Off Your Church

Catch my interview with Tony Morgan about his most recent book, “Take the Lid Off Your Church: 6 Steps to Building a Healthy Senior Leadership Team”

#2 Join Me For a Week in India

An incredible opportunity to join me and 30 other Church Leaders from around the country for a week in India!

#3 Five Keys That Can Make All the Difference When Speaking Up to Your Boss

Learn how to speak up to your boss the right way (so they’ll actually hear you) when you disagree with them.

#4 Why Some Teams Win and Most Lose

Notes and take-aways from my time with Larry Osborne last month.

#5 Leadership Lessons I was Reminded of while on Vacation

4 Leadership lessons that I was reminded of while I was on family vacation this past month.


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training with larry osborne part-2 “why some teams win and most lose”

Yesterday I mentioned that we recently had Larry Osborne come in and spend some time with the Sun Valley Staff. In doing so we intentionally broke the time up into three focuses: time with our Executive team, time with our Elders, and time with our Staff from all 3 campuses. Below is Part-2 of some thoughts and take aways from our time together. Click here if you missed Part-1.

Why Some Teams Win and Most Lose

1. Winning Teams have Winning Players while Losing Teams have Good Players

  • The Top 2 Determining factors of people who look like they’re going to succeed but actually fail:
    • #1 Poor Relationships Skills (they don’t play well in the sandbox with others)
    • #2 Inability to adapt (they could not handle midcourse correction and change)
  • Top 2 Determining factors of successful people:
    • #1 The ability to adapt (experts at midcourse corrections)
    • #2 Strong Relationship Skills

2. Winning Teams Guard the Gate while Losing Teams let Anyone In

  • Never ignore a lack of character because of an abundance of giftedness
  • Never ignore a lack of people skills due to an abundance of bible skills
  • It is not loving to kill the flock while you’re trying to be nice to one lamb
  • Be careful of people of Christian “watch dogs”

3. Winning Teams make Unity a Priority while Losing Teams Treat it as an Afterthought

  • Winning teams deliberately work on chemistry, they don’t take it for granted or assume it will happen
  • Create fun in your team

4. Wining Teams Focus on their Mission while Losing Teams Focus on their Successes

  • Mission Creep = You started with one mission and you are slowly seduced to chase after other missions because some sub-ministries become successful.
  • When it comes to stopping ministries don’t just kill them, you go to jail for killing people. Starve them and let them die a natural death. There is an art to this.

5. Winning Teams Focus on Empowerment while Losing Teams Focus on Tenure

  • Winning teams always have a farms system
  • Losing teams chase excellence (perfectionism)
  • Don’t ask who’s the best, ask who will be the best
  • When tenure rules there’s never room for the young
  • The Freshmen Always get Smaller Principle

6. Winning Teams Adapt for the Future while Losing Teams Long for the Past

  • The good old days aren’t as good as they used to be
  • What worked in the good old days won’t work in the current reality
  • Winning teams embrace the present and pursue the future

7. Winning Teams have a Heart for the Little Guy while Losing Teams Expect Everyone to be a Leader

  • Discipling people is not about making them leaders its about making followers of Jesus
  • When you lose your hear for the little people you begin to use people
  • Jesus didn’t hang around pagans, he hung around “consumer back of the line Christians”

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training with larry osborne part-1 “leadership lids of complexity and competency”

Like most of you I’ve been a part of churches that have invested large sums of money and time to send their staff to a conference together. I love the fact that many churches are willing to invest in their staff and I love how inspiring conferences can be! In fact I usually walk away with my thinking challenged and a few new ideas to implement. However, I’ve actually found it more economical and effective to bring an expert in to spend more intimate time with our team. The training you get is more personal, customized to your situation, and conversational (you can actually get your specific questions answered). Recently we had Larry Osborne come in to spend time with the Staff at Sun Valley. We intentionally designed for him to invest in our Executive Team, our Elders, as well as a day of training with all of our staff from all three of our campuses. By the way it was great to be able to have a couple of guys from my current Coaching Network sit in on the day of training with our staff! Below are some of my thoughts and take aways from our time together:

Ceilings of Complexity and Competency

1. Every Leader and Every Organization hits a Leadership Ceiling at some point

  • We outgrow our leadership skills
  • We outgrow our organizational structures
  • We can be blindsided by a major cultural shift

2. How to Recognizing Ceilings

  • Any ministry that has stagnant or declining attendance
  • Marked increase in conflict
  • Protecting the Past trumps Creating the Future
  • Revolving Door Syndrome
  • Long term personal spiritual stagnation
  • Mission Creep

3. How to Break through Ceilings

  • These 3 things come natural and are actually a trap:
    • Effort: work harder
    • Efficiency: work smarter
    • Quality: work better
  • What happens when these 3 things don’t work?
    • New Advisors:
      • You have to get outside of your tribe
      • We first go to “me” then we go to “my team” and then we go to “my tribe”
      • All of the solutions to your biggest problems are going to be found outside of your tribe
    • New Expectations:
      • Expectations are really about 3 things you have to give up: Power, Prestige, and Position
    • New Organizational Structures:
      • Address whatever counter productive organizational structures you have (traditions, how you make decisions, etc.)

I’ll post the rest of the notes tomorrow: Part 2 “Why Some Teams Win and Most Lose”


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